Leaving a legacy.  So what exactly does that mean?  And why are some physicians able to make it their life’s mission, and many never consider it?  Here to help us is Dr. Hala Sabry, best known as the founder of one of the largest and most influential social media groups of physicians in the world.  

Now Hala has done many, many interviews, but I specifically wanted to focus on her as an entrepreneur (which she never thought herself as one) and as an influencer to women physicians (which she dislikes the term).  

We discuss why she launched her first conference, and some insight at launching her four course “The Legacy Mindset Program for Women.”  We’re also starting a new segment, “5 Unexpected Questions” where you’ll get to know Hala a little better!  Enjoy this fun and lively interview!

The Legacy Mindset Program for Women

https://halasabry.com/legacy-mindset/join-legacy-mindset

RAW TRANSCRIPT

And I’m just super pumped for my next guest. Actually, she really doesn’t need an introduction. If you’re a physician, which most of you are. And we do have many moms who listen to me or so I’m told. You already know who she is. She is the founder of the physician, moms group, one of the largest, if not the largest group, Social media group for physicians that are out there. So much to talk about. She’s a Board Certified emergency room physician, she’s the chief community Officer of Doctoropedia. She has a really cool course that we’re going to talk about called the Legacy Mindset for Women. Again, needs no introduction, Dr. Hala Sabry. Hala. How are you doing?

Dr. Hala Sabry
Oh, my gosh, I cannot believe when you asked me to be on your podcast, I was like, just floored. So I just want to thank you for having me here. And for everybody listening. It’s crazy to be considered an entrepreneur. Like I don’t think I really actually gave myself that title until maybe a year ago, even though it’s funny, even just hearing your introduction to me, I’m like, why didn’t I think of that earlier? You know, I’m so funny.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Yeah, and unlike most things that doctors think you didn’t have to pay 1000s of dollars for a certification for entrepreneur, you just, you just bestowed it upon yourself. Right?I know, it’s definitely ludicrous, right? Like we’ve been taught for so long, that you can’t claim anything unless you’ve taken so many board exams and paid so much money to have this little piece of paper on the wall that nobody cares about except for you. So it’s really interesting.

Well, we’ll have the time of this recording at the time that you’re watching this, you’re actually in the middle of your launch for this course, that’s coming out. And so I thank you, I don’t know why you agreed to this interview, because I know all about launches and all the stress and strain about that maybe we could talk about that a little bit. But we’re also recording at the time where we’re at Peter Kim’s Leverage and Growth Conference. And that’s going on. So I know you’ve got so many things that are here. And because of that, and because you are so famous, at least now the industry community. I know and we’re gonna be you know, transparent. I know you’re all about authenticity. You’ve done a lot of podcast interviews, I have done a lot of podcast interviews, I know a lot of people already know about your story, and about how you started physician moms group. And and if you don’t know that I please go in and listen to those. I’m not trying to make light of it is a really interesting story how you started the group. Also just want to want to know, is it true? Is it the largest social media group of physicians? That that’s out there?

Dr. Hala Sabry
I think, I don’t know if it’s the largest now I’m well, I don’t know, I think physician side gigs has very similar numbers. I really honestly don’t compare. But I think it’s the largest for women. Definitely, um, you know, we are, you know, 96% women, we do have a COVID subgroup that has some men, but definitely women are dominating the field there. So, um, so yeah, I think we’re the largest woman woman’s group. And so, I mean, that’s a lot of people and internationally 115,000 people. So it’s been really fun. And yeah, thank you so much for bringing a little bit of light, you know, it’s to kind of what I’m doing now. I think a lot of the podcasts and the interviews, you know, do go over how I started. And it’s funny, because I’m like, Yeah, but I’m evolving. What about me now. And so I’m just so happy and refresh that we’re talking about? Like it the hollow like 2.0 or 3.0. So I’m so excited about this. So thanks for jumping right in.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
And that’s amazing, if not the largest, it certainly is the most influential, at least from what I see. So I’m just gonna start off the interview. I said, you did a lot of interviews, and I always tell my students, you know, to stand out, you got to really differentiate yourself. So I’m going to warn you, before we start, this is going to be a little bit of an unconventional interview, you know, you know, if you stop and walk off, I’m not gonna be offended on here. But, but I know that you, your BFF is Dr. Sadie Smith, one of your BFF you’ve lots out there, but she’s definitely up there. And I know if you know I interviewed her last summer, actually, just about the same time. And, you know, I had also just just really recently met her. And she, you know, it’s actually interesting of all the guests that I’ve interviewed. She’s the only one that I had planned one out episode and it actually went to two episodes so you know what i’m talking about we love you to death but she could be a little wordy sometimes again.

Dr. Hala Sabry
can i if i were best friends it’s awesome

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
yeah you guys said that you’re similar but we started off the interview by beat me basically making fun of her name’s sonny smith and i was singing about songs of sonny and i surely am not one to talk you know i got a weird last name booming you know i when i ran for fourth grade treasurer my dad said would be really cool if you put the poster that said woman is zooming for fourth grade treasurer of which i came in fourth place out of five and you know all the teasing that got in my name but i want to know and i know it’s arabic correct

Dr. Hala Sabry
yeah yeah i’m Egyptian.

Dr Mike Woo-Ming

Egyptian, and so i’m not trying to make light of it but does anybody say anything about “Holla Hala!”

Dr. Hala Sabry
oh like 1,000% like a lot of people ask me like if my parents named me after like jay z’s like holla but i don’t think they realize i’m older i’m like i’m like the same age as jay z i think i was born in 78 so um so yeah i get a lot of that or like “Hala-Day” or jHala-peno “or you know lots of stuff but um but yeah actually the way that my name is actually really you know pronounced is hella and the reason why i go by hala and a lot of hollows go by hala is i think it’s just i think the the english vernacular it’s just i don’t know why it you know goes to holla like this like hard a kind of or i don’t even know what the exact grammar is but you know i was in first grade and i got moved from a private school to a public school because what happened was i was in this private school and i was they would give us these packets every week on monday and the packets were like 20 pages you know stacked packet front and back and basically you’d have to do all these worksheets and um and then turn it in on friday so i would be so stressed out about this packet that i would finish it by tuesday afternoon and so i would skip i would skip you know recess and i would eat lunch with the packet you know and stuff like that i’m in total gunner right and and so the school was like i’m a little concerned like she’s not making friends and and things like that and so they wanted to hold me back for social development and so and i had already skipped a grade so i skipped kindergarten so i was the youngest i was the smallest i was the least social and so my dad was like i think that they’re just trying to get us to pay more money because you know him as an immigrant was like so she’s like the smartest in the class like what’s the problem you know why does she need friends so they moved me to public school and then the first day you know i mean this class of 30 people which is insane to me because i think my class before that was like less than 20 and i was like one class of like four other first graders you know and the smallest my mom said i was wearing a 14 dress at first grade yeah and so she you know what teachers do stand up and introduce yourself and this is like january you know they all know each other so i’m like oh my name is Hala which is like what can you speak up and i’m like my name is Hala, and she’s like Holla i’m like yep sure whatever gets me to sit down just answer and you know it’s funny when i went to junior high i’m like i’m going to reinvent myself i’m going to be Hala same thing happened in high school in college in medical school so i’m Hala i’m calling for life.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
and that’s what we know and then the lesson begins now talking with sonny and just kind of prepping for this interview you know she says love her to death but she says you tend to underestimate yourself and especially your influences and so i did my research before for this interview and you know just just putting up in your name and when i mean research i’m just googling yeah like everybody yeah

yeah and you know talk about authentic you know your name comes up and just like you’re putting yourself out there and really we’re gonna talk about legacy you know the internet google that is your legacy what what is coming up and just some of the things that you done and this probably doesn’t even scratch the surface i mean i found a usa today article from a few years ago with your battle for in fertilization how i mean talk about just putting yourself out there how did that kind of come about?

Dr. Hala Sabry
yeah you know it’s funny i was just talking to someone yesterday another coach that we were pure coaching each other and i was telling her that initially my identity and my identity had been so tied to my infertility journey so for those of you I don’t know, I had to do infertility for five years. Well, five years, plus five years before I had my first child, I had seven rounds that were failed. And then on my eighth round was lucky. And I got pregnant with twins that ended up having a vanishing twin. And I have my daughter who’s seven and a half now from that, from that pregnancy, and then I went back and, and had two other pregnancies, both sets of twins. So I have five kids. And when I, when I finished that journey, like so much had changed, because that whole journey took like, you know, 10 years total. But I had decided when I was going through the journey that I was, I mean, I was so aware about how isolated and how alone and crying I was, like, all the time. And I remember, like not being able to tell anybody, like I was in residency, and I was doing IVF. And I was like, nobody wants to know this, because they don’t want me getting pregnant, because who’s gonna cover my shifts, you know, and so just kind of like, the added isolation on top of just having infertility and feeling like you’re broken, like your body is not doing what a woman’s body should do. Like, I think that that was like a very common thought pattern in my brain. And I remember the one hour of the day that I would look forward to every day, it was four o’clock. And that’s because the Ellen DeGeneres Show would play. And I would cry every single time. And, and I think what Ellen had shown me, and I know that there’s a lot of like, bad press that she’s gotten them last year. But what I what she had given me, though, it was hope, you know, I was like, look at this woman, who also suffered from isolation, because of her sexual orientation. And, you know, got things taken away from her, like, just very similar. I mean, in a way very similar situations. But not only did she rise on top, but she doesn’t downplay it, she always remembers it, she always talks about it. And she is even more generous and giving at least that’s what the show, you know, makes us you know, think. And I was like, No, I don’t know, you know how I’m going to do this. But I know that when I, when I get pregnant, if I’m lucky enough, if that’s what the universe has, for me, I’m going to make sure to help other women. And in my brain, it was really with infertility, right? Because that was my world. So I’m still part of infertility groups, and I still go in there, and especially like, on Mother’s Day, and holidays, where those were constant reminders and triggers about like the family, you don’t have, you know, that was really hard. And so I always go in and give them hope, like, hey, even after seven failed cycles, $150,000 in the hole, you know, I thought there was no way I was gonna have a family and just like kind of how it ended up and to give them, you know, to give them hope. But it’s funny, though, because I, I actually, I don’t identify with it anymore, because I’m so far away. So I have to kind of remind myself, so thank you for bringing this up. But yeah, USA Today, it was like the anniversary, the 30th anniversary of IVF. And because I had been so outspoken about it, especially about my clinic, the clinic I went to was ccrm and Colorado. And so that that clinic, you know, reached out to me, and they’re like, hey, do you, you know, are you interested in any PR, and I was just delivering my second set of twins. So I said, Yeah, of course, I have no problem sharing my story. Because my Why is if any woman is crying, looking on the internet for hope, like I did for so many years, maybe she’ll come across that story. And ironically, that story has been seen. I mean, the the author of that story had reached out to me saying that she was so surprised about not only how many times that story has been seen, I don’t even know what the counter is for that. But also like it continues to be seen. And I continue to get emails from women who asked me questions or follow up questions. And I answer every single one of them. Because I’m committed to making sure that people don’t feel alone. But since then, there’s so many amazing there’s a coach that is committed to this like work to her name’s Kate Chandler, I believe her last name is. And so I’m just so glad that whether I took part in any of that, that there’s other women who also feel committed to that journey of normalizing and fertility.

Yeah, so that’s kind of how it came about. But yeah, it’s it’s so funny. I don’t talk about infertility nearly as much as I did anymore. But it’s definitely a big part of my journey and why I even started PMG because when I started trying to make decisions, whether I was going to stay home with my kids or I was going to continue to work as a doctor, part of my thoughts were like, I worked too hard. I paid too much money to have these kids to have somebody else raise them. And for me to have to choose between my career and being a mom, you know, so really, that’s part of the foundation of everything that I’m you know, I am today so everything that you’re hearing in this interview really started from struggle and sacrifice and and sadness and And then eventually resilience and seeing hope. Oh, yeah,

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
I see the pictures five beautiful children, handsome husband here. I got to ask with so many kids now, do you ever forget their names when? Oh, all

Dr. Hala Sabry
the time? I’m like, What’s your name? I even like I have two dogs. And sometimes sometimes I call them by the dog’s names, you know, but they think it’s hilarious. And now and now they try to play tricks on me, especially the twins. They’ll be like, so and so. And I mean, there, none of them are identical, but for some reason they think they are. So like, I’m, you know, I’m Athena today. No, I am Fifi today. So it’s really fun. They’re so cute. But yeah, I have a lot of fun with it.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
So in addition to you, obviously, you got this PMG , physician moms, very influential, but I didn’t realize how influential and I just, I pulled up a couple of things that I saw, for example, your PMG was in a second psychiatric journal, I see something on in terms of COVID. And and it’s, it’s published, you know, your your group is published early on. Another thing, too, that I thought maybe we could get into a little bit is just just kind of maybe understanding the power of your group. And I found something and I, we can talk about this, we can’t there was a incident with an ad that you saw on the scrubs company that I found. Yeah. And you found it you posted something, because you found that that ad was demeaning. Don’t talk about it.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, so I don’t know, maybe two or three months ago, I don’t even know how long ago now it was fix, you know, fix have put in put out an ad of a woman physician and pink scrubs reading a medical terminology for dummies book upside down. And then, you know, she was it was like a video ad. And so she was reading it and then kind of thought it was too hard even with her pink scrubs reading this book upside down. So she closes the book and kind of throws it to the side. Like, who cares about books anyways? And I read, I mean, I saw that ad and I was like, you know, already I was already a little bit skeptical of things. advertisements, because I think that I think it’s hard. I think it’s hard when you’re selling apparel you need to be like, marketing it like you want beautiful models. You want racy things, like

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
maybe a little edgy sure?

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, you want edgy, right? And so like, I totally respect the company for like, for all the bills, right? But I think that early on, like I started not personally as a consumer, like not speaking on behalf of PMG in any way. But as a consumer, I started kind of not really identifying with their ads, because I was like, that’s not what my body looks like, that’s not how I act at work. I wear socks because, like, I I see lots of blood, and I’m putting in chest tubes. And so for me, I just thought it was unrealistic. So I mean, I’ve never really been super connected to the brand, although I do respect what they built and, and, and everything like that. So when I saw the ad, though, I was I was really taken back now, you know, I also you have to understand, like, you know, I’ve been really understanding of their ads, like for the last couple of years, and there’s been a couple of things that have been problematic. I’m just personally as a consumer. But now, you know, my whole point is legacy, right? And so there’s this, there’s this actual study by Save the Children that I that I’ve been quoting, up and down everywhere. But basically, they found that after a survey study in 2015, of girls in the United States and on the west coast of Africa that by the age of eight girls think that they’re not as smart and they’re not as valued as men or boys rather. And so when I look at these ads, right, with this woman who’s reading a book upside down, that’s for dummies and then throws away because even that’s too hard. And I’m like, well, no wonder no wonder like, how like, and this is a woman run company. This is internal misogyny, you know, internalized misogyny. So intralinks someone’s watching me is sexism. internalized misogyny is when women promoted, you know, and so women can be sexist to against their own kind. And, and so I think that when I saw that, I was like, Okay, this is like, where this is where, like, I need to say something, like, I let go of a lot of my opinions before. And you know, honestly, being an influencer myself, like, um, and I really have a hard time even with that title, because I think, like it kind of, like, in the, in the layman’s terms, like means, like, you know, getting money for ads or whatever.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
It has a picture that we think of we think of influencer.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah. And so I so I’m talking about influencer as like somebody who’s a leader that can influence somebody else’s opinion, not about buying something but about anything. You know, I’m, I’m really hesitant to put out personal opinions that I’m not very well thought out, like, you know, about all of the pros and cons and things like that. And if this is something that’s just like, my personal vendetta versus a bigger Miss mission, you know, so when when that happened, though, I was like, okay, like, I’ve been reading about this study, I’ve been trying to figure out like, how do we change the girls mindsets at eight years old realizing that 40 we still have that same mindset and this is why we hit mid career crisis and i’m like this is this is like not helping and so i wanted people to see i thought it was a great example it’s kind of like a morbidity and mortality conference like where you have a really good picture of like the chest x ray that’s gone wrong or whatever it may be so i literally it was really late at night i screenshotted it and i just put this is what sexism in medicine looks like just plain and simple this is what it is and it’s so easy to creep into it and think it’s funny and it’s fun and it’s racy and it’s edgy but it’s actually very damaging and they did the same thing to male nurses they have the same ad with a male nurse to marginalized populations you know out of all of the healthcare workers 76% of women 76% of healthcare healthcare workers are women every single health care line doctors respiratory therapists like name it right it’s all male dominated except for nursing nursing is the one that is women dominated hmm they put a male nurse in there and i was like okay that’s not okay either you know this is not just about women this is just about marginalized populations and so and so i posted it it did go completely viral ended up on the news and actually what people don’t know is that the ceo of the company actually called me on my cell phone and yeah yeah and so um and we had a really good conversation she was very straight to the point she’s like she wasn’t mad she i mean i don’t know maybe she was but she didn’t tell me she was mad she was like i just want feedback on how we could be better

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
and how quick?

Dr. Hala Sabry

So they took him here it took them to add well before she even called me they took time to ..

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
add how quick was it that sort of curious how…

Dr. Hala Sabry

i think a day i think yeah i think the day within a day um but she called me and you know i really had a lot of respect for her she said like hey keep my cell phone number if you ever see something that you don’t like you know tell me um you know kind of here’s access to me you know and some of it i mean i don’t know i don’t work for the company i’ve never called her again i’m not opposed to it it’s just that i’m an official consultant so if there’s a way that you know i’m going to work with a company it’s going to be more formalized than a text message but um but i think what what they put out there is that they have an action plan of how they were waiting to remedy this they were going to have you know a diverse board of you know healthcare workers whether the physicians or not looking at every single ad to make sure that it’s not offending you know any kind of marginalized population you know i mean it’s hard you’re gonna offend somebody all the time you know but i think just trying to be committed to diversity and inclusion so i’m glad that that company did that you know i don’t know what the outcome is of it i don’t follow them or anything like that but i’m really excited that they were able to own up to it apologize and take actionable steps for their company to be better i think it’s a good example for all of us how we can mess up and how we can be resilient.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming

yeah just kind of shows you the power of the group and just you know your influence too but because this is a podcast for physician entrepreneurs i want to talk about building businesses and entrepreneurs and one thing that you did and i believe so you did a conference how many conferences have you done for pmg which is one to two first one was in 2019?

Dr. Hala Sabry

no i think it was like 2015 2015

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming

okay.

Dr. Hala Sabry
yeah we did one and it was redefining dr mom and it was more of like kind of us it was really more of an entrepreneurial conference like people who just kind of wanted to think outside the box or at least be comfortable in their own skin it was one day it was in las vegas i think we had like you know close to 100 people that came it was good a lot of people that’s how i met Sunny so really really yeah so

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
i want to talk about that you know people see that you’re doing these seminars and it’s got a bigger and better what did you learn from that first seminar that made me know that…

Dr. Hala Sabry
So i learned that las vegas is probably not the best place to have a conference so it wasn’t the best thing for us

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
this specific one?

Dr. Hala Sabry

yes yes so our demographic you know we have these women who what we’re largely hearing is that they oh wait i want to say i want to back up i tried to have a conference the year before or two years before so in 2015 maybe that was june 16 2015 i don’t know i tried to do something before my group said oh we want to do a cruise want to do a conference on a cruise and this all ties in into why i’ve made these mistakes so they think that idea they’re like oh i want a cruise conference i went ahead i found out i found everything i booked everything i put it out there 600 people have like like this one post and yes we want to cruise i even had some buy in i was like hey what week where do you want to go what It’s a topic 600 people consistently answering guess how many people registered for it? Not 603

Oh my gosh.

Yeah. And so I was like, okay, that’s not gonna work. So um, but here’s where their objections were right. Their objections were like, I can’t go out of the country without my family. Those CMEs may not work because their crews CMEs And apparently, I don’t work in academics. I don’t even get like, reimburse me. So I’m like, okay, like, No, I’m learning. Right. So then the second one, I was like, okay, definitely, we’re not doing a cruise. Yeah, we’re gonna do somewhere where, you know, everybody can fly in and fly out the same day if they want to, you know, so Las Vegas seemed okay. The objections, like, I can’t take my kids because Las Vegas is not a child friendly area, you know, things like that. So I was like, okay, so I think my people like my group, really, they really value family, why am I trying to work around that, you know, so. So this third one, I guess, third attempt, right, was a family conference. So we had a kids track. So you drop off your kids, they learn throughout the day, so that we have like a plastic surgeon teaching them how to do sutures, like it’s age appropriate. So the younger, the younger ones, they’re like learning how to tie, you know, the older ones, got to touch a needle, and learn how to inject like we brought, you know, oranges, and they learn how to inject and I even tried it on my kids to to make sure that they weren’t gonna freak out and kind of use them as a, you know, trial. And we have the fire department come and talk to them about first aid. And you know, what, what do you see? What do you do if somebody is down, like what happens and things like that, you know, so it was really neat. The kids, my kids still talk about it. They talked about, like, how to learn how to splint and things like that. So it was really neat. And then the parents, the moms and you know, kid go and they were at the conference, and then we had a gala, we did a fundraiser for UNICEF, and it was so fun because we were dancing. We had an auction. It was fun. And then what happened was, though, is a complete mess up on my part, but it was ended up being the best part of the conference. I ended the childcare an hour earlier than the gala and just did not realize we had changed some of the times. So all of a sudden, they’re like we have to pick up our kids. And so the kids go to the childcare they have they have their mini gala, but they they went in pajamas. So they’re having a pajama party. We’re in like ballgowns. Okay, so my conference organizers are like, what do we do? And I’m like, dude, just bring the kids over here. So the kids are dancing on the dance floor, they’re in pajamas, parents are all dressed to the nines. It that was the best part. I’ve never seen people so happy. You know. And I was like, This is what PNG is. And this is what the future is. These are kids that are not only going to a conference, but they’re involved. And one of the things also that happened, and I promise we can move on to the next topic is when I had to ask for speakers. One of the members, Dr. Jean Roby, her daughter was like, I want to speak Can I speak at the kids track? And I was like, Whoa, okay, so she, I think she’s like, 14 at the time. So I’m like, Oh, yeah, sure. Like, of course, right. And so I gave awards to every single speaker. It’s this Diamond Award. It’s really awesome. I love them. And so I actually presented her with an award, because usually we would present it after their talk. But because I wasn’t there for her talk, I actually presented it to her at the gala. And that in itself, like her mom still messages me, telling me what impact that had on her daughter. And her daughter’s name is Jade, and how she’s gone on to apply for community service. And, and it’s just helped her mission. And she still has that. You know that that little, you know, it’s that little bit award that she that she uses as inspiration. And I’m like, Oh my gosh, like, this is what we could be doing. We could be changing the next generation of women physicians, and what kind of I mean, who else who else can say that they have part of that legacy? You know, it’s going to be us, our community.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
She could be President and it started right there on that cruise.

Dr. Hala Sabry

It’s, yeah, I’m excited for her and what she has to, you know, offer the world.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
So this has been awesome. And I mean, talk about that a legacy, but I want to change things up a little bit. And we’re going to talk about the program that you’re going. But like I said, I want to be a little bit unconventional. So I picked five questions that I want to give you. But probably the typical podcast interview you’ve done, probably don’t ask. So I’m ready. Just you could pause and say pass. Okay, I think your fans would be very unhappy. So I go for that. challenge here.

Dr. Hala Sabry

I will answer all five of them.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming

Okay, five questions. Okay, oops, my my computer went down here. Okay, first question. What was the last show? You’ve been binge watched? Oh,

Dr. Hala Sabry

what’s it called? The crown. But there’s also like this Netflix part. I think it’s called the wins the House of Windsor. That and Schitt’s Creek. Two things. Yeah.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Yeah, those are pretty similar. Similar shows, I think but we’ll move on. Okay. This is one that I’ve wanted to know, for a long time. Have you ever been or maybe have seen on someone else’s screen – The Physician Dads Group?

Dr. Hala Sabry
I do know Johnny Diaz. And I actually worked with him on a project last summer and have been trying to get him some connections for some amazing ideas that he has. But so I know of physician dads group, I have never seen a screenshot of any Well, actually, no, I have seen some screenshots, but they Nope. But I have not seen the group. I have seen some screenshots that were not very positive. But I think is a representation of a very minor part of the group. I hope so. So

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
yeah. Okay, that’s kind of a non answer, but we’ll confirm or deny that. All right, moving on. You spent, I believe seven years of working for Disney. Right? I did work for Disney. Okay. What is the best ride at Disneyland? And what is the ride that they need to get rid of?

Dr. Hala Sabry
Oh, gosh, okay, so the best ride? Oh my God, why are you asking me such a hard question? That’s a really hard question. So I worked on Pirates of the Caribbean for many years, and I was a lead on that ride. And so that will always be one of my favorites. And small world because I love the mission and that they actually opened it with UNICEF, which now I partner with. So both of those are my favorite. What do they need to get rid of? Um, gosh, at? Oh my gosh, what a Disney World. Yeah, hollywood presidents. It was not my favorite, especially since they put Trump in. I am not a fan of him. But you know, I think actually, it’s not really an attraction. It’s not a ride but Liberty Square in and I’m in the what’s it called the world showcase. I don’t know. I never stopped there. So maybe get rid of that. I

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
don’t even know what that is.

Dr. Hala Sabry
=It’s like, it’s like old colonial America. Okay, my mind. Let’s put another country in there. Yeah, so maybe that’s what I would get rid of. Okay, number four. Yeah.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
So how are you doing? Good. Okay.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, yeah, that’s

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
cool. Okay. You’re an emergency report certified emergency room? Doctor? Yeah. What? specialty or what specialist is the hardest to get into the ER? And what kind of superpower do you use to get him or her in to see a patient?

Dr. Hala Sabry
Oh, well, this is like, actually not fair. But um, yeah, I think ophthalmology, but to their defense, it’s because they don’t have the equipment in the ER, so like getting them to come. And also, like, I mean, there’s just so many different eye, eye issues that come to the ER that are not really like, er, like, we don’t have any of like, the actual tools to help them. And what’s really hard is most of these people don’t have access to an ophthalmologist. And so it’s like, I think that’s the hardest part of it. But I will say that every place I’ve worked at, I’ve connected and networked with the ophthalmologists gotten their cell phone number have been able to text them and be able to get every single patient taking care of no matter what. So that’s the way I’ve worked around it.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
That’s the superpower. Yeah, along with kindness.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Well, and they want to help too. So I think that just you know, establishing a foundation. Yeah.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Every 100% all of them. Do.

Dr. Hala Sabry
I the ones I’ve talked to you. Yeah. Great.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Okay. Okay. One last question. Okay, you’re ready. Okay. Have you ever scheduled an interview, and then later texted the interviewer to reschedule the interview? Because you had a conflict at the same time, but then later texted them back that realized you were on the wrong week. Is that

Dr. Hala Sabry
that sounds so familiar. I think I did that this morning. Oh, you. Alright, that

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
wasn’t a question. That was a question. We’re going to end on. I know, some of you. I think this is great. I’m learning a lot but we’re gonna talk about entrepreneurship. This is kind of a standard question, but what three books influenced you the most as an entrepreneur that changed her life. three books.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Um, I think, Oh my gosh, there’s so many books, but atomic habits for sure. And it’s just about Yeah, I just thought, and I actually give it well, I don’t want to say that I give legacy boxes to all the people in my program. And that may or may not make appearance in the legacy box.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
But okay,

Dr. Hala Sabry
maybe we’ll see atomic habits, because I think for me, it was just a way of reframing my brain to be able to have the superpower to do anything.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
On the topics you guys don’t know.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, atomic habits by James clear, um, first things first. Um, I think that was really helpful in me, like kind of, when I started thinking about legacy, you know, all of the internet really focuses on financial legacy. And I don’t think that’s what legacy is. And in fact, if you look up the definition of legacy, it’s the expressions of one’s value, and their contribution to community and their family and to their environment. So that doesn’t really even mean money. But before I used to think that that was like, you have to like leave $100 million to the Humane Society to have a legacy, I didn’t know that it was accessible. But truthfully, your legacy is your obituary, if you don’t think that you’re leaving when you are. So you might as well decide what you want to leave behind or not. But also, I kind of think through that book, I think I was like, I can enjoy my legacy. It’s not something I’m leaving behind. It’s something I’m making now for myself to enjoy. Right. And so I think that was really helpful. And then a third book, Oh, my gosh, let’s see, there’s so many. I think anything by Brene Brown, like any any book that she’s written, has been really influential for me. But I think if anyone’s like me, I listened to Brene Brown. You know, I would binge watch, like interviews by Oprah and things like that. And it would give me that feeling of sensation, like I could really do anything, but it was like the execution of like, when I was in moments, or when that feeling died down, it was like, I was left again alone. So I think that’s why, you know, I kind of started delving more into this work of like, how can I extend the work of all these great women on a real practical level of helping them kind of change their mindset, not only by being an example of what can happen, but also having an opportunity for them to work with me directly? So I think those those are not three books. Those are three kinds of books. But yeah, I think that’s what I would do.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
You got it, you pass the challenge. Question challenge. I know, we’ve got only a few minutes left here, but you’ve got this course. I know, you’ve put a lot of time and effort into it. It’s fine. I think your biggest course you you’ve you’ve put up before I’ve been in terms of what you’re doing in terms of I know, you’ve put a lot of time and effort into this.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, but I haven’t made a course before. I have not made a course before. So this is my

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
So I’m accurate.

Dr. Hala Sabry
Yeah, first and biggest,

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
first and biggest the legacy mindset of women. What do you want to know? I mean, you I know that you’ve been getting a lot of questions about it. Um, maybe you can cover some of the questions that you’re getting. I know, you said, You’ve got a lot, a lot of questions. First, you know, is it it’s for women, legacy mindset is for women? Do they have to be a doctor? No, no,

Dr. Hala Sabry
they do not have to be a doctor. I’m really focusing on women in male dominated fields. Because like that study I mentioned, when the eight year old girls and then thinking that they’re not valued or as smart, you know, it’s funny, when I first saw that article, I immediately was like, phew, I like dodged that bullet. Because clearly, I think I’m smart, and I’m valuable. And that’s why I became a doctor. But you know, what’s interesting is that, you know, in my mid career crisis, where I was like, gosh, like, what else do I want to do with my life? I mean, I was happy being a doctor, there’s nothing wrong with that. Clearly, but, and I love it, and I still do it. But I was like, thinking more about, like, what’s the impact I’m going to have on my family, on my career on medicine, like, whatever it may be. An impact doesn’t have to be big, you know, it could be anything. And so I started kind of thinking, like, instead of just thinking I was on this hamster wheel of life, or just a cog in the wheel, like, what kind of impact do I want to actively work towards to make sure I’m having and so and so I think the mindset of like a mid career crisis is the same thing like, what’s our value? And so for me, I was like, that’s so interesting, that that eight year old is searching for her value and the 40 year old or the mid career person is searching for her value as well. And so I really want to speak to those mid career, really highly motivated women who are in positions like me where you know, they became the lawyer, they became the dentist, they became the engineer. They became the woman in tech. You know, all of these uphill battles with sexism and you know, competition. And then they get to a point and they’re like, Wait, where’s my impact, because I’ve just been so focused on the destination, and tying my value with the destination of what I will be and not how I will act and how I will be. And so I think that, for me that that group of individuals are really important. I mean, every woman is really important, but that group of individuals is what I’m focusing on, because I think those women, that mindset needs to be cultivated, because the eight year old girls are looking up to them. And those those women are teaching the eight year old girls, whether those are their daughters, or nieces, whatever it may be, you know, they’re teaching them and so I think like, even through this mindset shift that I’ve gone through, you know, how I was thinking I parent differently, like the way that I teach my daughter’s so different than what I would have done, you know, two or three years ago. And so for me, I’m like, wow, like, that’s a legacy in itself. just changing your mindset is a legacy in itself, focusing on her values. And, and so I’m like, you know, I know that my daughter, like right now, one of the examples I gave is that she wanted a cat, and I did not want a cat. And so every time she’d be like, I want a cat. And I was like, No, just No, it’s easier to say no. And so finally, I just stopped. I said, Why? Why do you want a cat? And so she kind of explained to me that she wanted to, you know, somebody that was, you know, I have two sets of twins, and she’s not a twin. So she was like, you know, you know, I want? Everybody has somebody? Yeah, you know, and I was like, Why don’t have a twin? And she’s like, Yeah, but you’re our other dog. He follows you around all the time. I’m like, Yeah, because I feed him and I, I pet him, and I walk him and I do all these things with him. And he’s 10 years old, I’ve been doing this since you know, he thinks I’m his mom, you know. And so I said, you know, you’d have to do that for this animal, but we get. And so she’s like, I’ll do it, you know, and we all know this, like, kids are like, I’ll feed it, I’ll do this, and you know that, you know, you’re gonna end up doing it, right. And so, so I was like, you know, look, I know, I’m gonna end up doing it. So like, we know that that’s a given. So I’m not gonna fight her on that part. She’s, you know, seven. But what I started doing is like, you cannot take care of another animal or another thing unless you take care of yourself first. So we talked about, like, what does that look like? How do you take care of your body? How do you take care of your brain, and we listed all the things like taking a shower, doing the laundry of what, like, not laundry, but like getting all your stuff into the basket, you know, and, you know, doing your homework, things like that. I was like, you cannot take care of this dog, unless you take care of yourself first. And so she practiced that. But it’s funny now, like, you know, whenever her brother and sister want to walk the dog or anything like that, you know, she’ll tell them like, oh, did you take care of herself first? And it’s funny, because, you know, I, I didn’t learn that till I was 35. And she learned that at seven. So you know, for me, I think that that’s hope, you know, I don’t know what I mean, every person is going to have their own issues and mindset blocks and objections and things like that. But my hope is that hers will look different than what it was for me. Last question,

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
I know you’re gonna get a lot, a lot of it’s closing down. Maybe at the time of this recording, you may not see it. So if it’s still open, you want to go click on the book and get it. But you beginning some questions on there, and you’re answering each one one by one. You said one of the questions is your hearing that they feel like they’re they’re not ready, you know, to take your course. What do you have to say to those folks who say this? And what do they hope to get? What will they get after they complete? Your course? For women? Yeah,

Dr. Hala Sabry
I don’t want you to be ready. Because then there’s no reason to have a course. Right? I mean, I wasn’t, I wasn’t ready. My whole point is getting you ready to think about legacy? You know, I don’t I mean, not that I don’t want you to be ready, I think I’m not expecting you to be ready, who this course is not for someone who feels very comfortable with the legacy that they’re leaving. They’re not questioning it, they’re not questioning about their impact. Those people you know, they probably already done the mindset shift. But if you have any question in your mind, don’t like not feeling unfulfilled. The whole idea of like, Oh, my gosh, well, I’m already a doctor, I’m already a lawyer, I’m already a dentist, like, what else do I want and then and then kind of thinking and shaming yourself, like, I should be grateful, I should be lucky. And then and then some people what they’ll do is they’ll go back and they’ll become a lawyer, or they’ll become something else. And then you know, and then what they’ll do is be like, well, how can I prove to myself that I’ll or how can I like assure myself that I’ll be fulfilled and that if I’m not fulfilled now, and so they constantly searching for changing their circumstance, or giving themselves an opportunity that they think that will fulfill them not realizing it’s just a power within them. And so some of the things that I thought I was not ready to focus on legacy are things like, Oh, I don’t have enough time, I don’t have enough money I you know, I have a I have to work on my relationship with my mom or my my husband first or, you know, things like that. So, basically This course helps you with all of those things, just to be able to get all of that noise out of your brain. So you can actually focus on your legacy and your values and understand how your values are shining through everything that you do. And I know it sounds really intangible, you know, and that was part of the reasons I was a little hesitant as an entrepreneur to even put this out there. You know, when you think about coaching, you think about someone who’s like, you know, I’m a business coach, and I’ll make a help you make six figures in a year, you know, or I’m a weight loss coach, you’ll lose 10 pounds in a month, right? There’s a real tangible, deliverable.

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Sure.

Dr. Hala Sabry
And that was one of my hardest things is like, what is the tangible deliverable here, and it’s you betting on yourself, it’s you focusing on your mindset and knowing that you’re unfulfilled now, and that you will have a sense of fulfillment, in the eight weeks, you will understand what that looks like for you. And that will be the start with your work, you know, and so, um, you know, and the other thing, too, is that there’s nobody talking about legacy, like, and they’re talking about legacy in the aspect of like, you know, money, which is a big part of it. And we do have two weeks on money, we have one week on money, scarcity, and one one week on money abundance, like how to in like investment, like just the idea of opening open to that, and what what kind of thoughts that you have to have to kind of like, even be interested in that. Not the how to do it, but the why we do it, you know, and the realization that the generational wealth of women is far inferior of women across the world, to men, there’s not one area in this world that women have more wealth than men ever so, and with money comes power and influence. And that’s why these girls at eight years old, don’t think that they’re valued, because they’re only seeing men, right? They’re only seeing men in the history books and things like that, you know? So, um, so I think it’s just more of, you know, to answer your question, it’s more of like, you don’t, you don’t need to be ready. We’re not none of us are ready. That’s why legacy is not something that’s it’s completely if you guys had read Russell, Branson’s book, expert secrets, it’s all blue water, you know, so it’s like, it’s a new, it’s a new discussion, you know, but that even the discussions that are being had are by men, you know, and it’s funny, as I was talking about this, I was on clubhouse one day, and I was talking about legacy mindset. And I had this man who DM me on Instagram, and I mean, he, I mean, great. I’m so happy that he connected with me, but he was like, Hey, I made a legacy mindset, or legacy mindset club. I’d love for you to teach in my club. And I was like, Well, of course a man did that. Right? And I mean, I’m, I’m happy to help him and I’m happy to represent his woman. But I went and all the people that were in the club, mind you, it wasn’t a lot of people, but they were all men. And I was like, Where are the women? That’s because they don’t think it’s accessible to them. So if you’re a woman who cares about these eight year little girls cares about your fulfillment now cares about legacy in any kind of way or does want to start to prioritize it is interested is curious about it, then, then, you know, sign up for my program. And like I said, I have no idea when this is going to air or if I’m going to have spots because I only have eight spots left at this time of like, talking to you. But um, but you know, you can always follow me on Dr.HalaSabry.com, sign up for my newsletter, there’s a values worksheet there, that’s where I started my journey. So I made it accessible for everybody. If you scroll down to the end of our of my landing page, you’ll see it. And you know, and just start, you know, start by starting, you know, read the books, read, you know, listen to the podcast, do the work yourself, but it is hard work. But the return on investment is like infinity. So

Dr. Mike Woo-Ming
Hala this has been very powerful. Thanks for playing along with me, I’m here. If you guys are looking for clarity in your legacy, and if it’s still open, you got to check what she has out here. The Legacy Mindset for Women by Dr. Hala Sabry. Thank you so much for. Thanks, Mike. Thanks, everybody. And as always, you can just read about it, you know, nothing’s gonna change until you actually implement. And so whatever that is, it’s all about keep moving forward.

Dr. Hala Sabry
I love that.