Mistakes always happen when we rush things. I’ve seen this not only in medicine, but life in general. We can also end up living a life of regrets and unhappiness if the switch is set on autopilot, where we are just going through the motions. Sometimes you need to reach out , take control, and press PAUSE!
As discussed in Episode 130, I had to do this recently when our family was (is) going through some really tough medical issues. The secret to inner peace is learning to pause and be present, so says Dr. Jessie Mahoney.
A board-certified pediatrician, life coach, and certified yoga and mindfulness instructor, Dr. Mahoney draws from her 17 plus years of experience dealing with physician wellness in a large HMO, coaching physicians to find more calm, ease, and contentment, so they can create and enjoy a more intentional and healthy life within and outside of medicine.
If you are struggling with these issues right now or know someone who is, I invite you to listen to this captivating interview.
Dr. Jessie Mahoney’s Physician Coaches Profile:
You can find out about Dr. Mahoney’s 1:1 mindful coaching, read her blog, and find out about yoga offerings, and yoga and coaching retreat opportunities at www.jessiemahoneymd.com. You can also listen to Dr. Mahoney weekly on The Mindful Healers Podcast and/or join her community offerings in the Mindful Healthcare Collective. Links for these are on her webpage.
The #1 Doctor Directory for Physician Coaches, Consultants, and Mentors
FREE Masterclass: How to Become a High Paid, In Demand Physician Coach or Consultant
Now an Amazon Best Seller! The Positioned Physician: Earn More, Work Smart, and Love Medicine Again, 2nd Edition: Updated with over 50 pages of new content including new chapters on goal setting, mindset, and sales strategies for a successful online business!
Dr. Mike: How often do you press the pause button in your life? As he talked about in a recent episode, I’ve had to go through this recently due to some really tough medical issues that were going on with my family. This pause allowed me a time to reflect and then focus on what was important in my life and my family’s life.
And it’s really given me a roadmap of why I wanted to follow and where. And apparently that was the right thing to do. I discussed this with my next guest, who is a UCS F board certified pediatrician with ever 17 years dealing with physician wellness. And she now works in coaches with women physicians, helping them to pause their life and showing them the power of intention, allowing them to find more ease and contentment in their own life.
If you’ve been struggling through these issues like myself, I really think you’re going to get some answers after listening to my interview with Dr. Jessie Mahoney and this episode of big struggle.
We’re going to be talking with a pediatrician and turn physician wellness leader.
They worked at Kaiser Permanente for 17 years and graduated from Dartmouth, went to UCLA, UC San Francisco, as well as become a graduate of the life coach school. And now she is involved in speaking about physician wellness, but she does much more than that. She is. She writes a popular blog called pause and presence for a life better lift.
She’s a co-host of the Mindful Healers podcast. She’s a leader in the mindful healthcare collective and a… get this, yoga instructor. I think I know maybe two other physicians who are a certified yoga instructor. So I’d love to delve into this. She teaches the mindful yoga for healers as well as host retreats and conferences around the world.
Welcome to the program Dr. Jessie Mahoney, Jessie, how are you doing today?
Jessie Mahoney MD: Great. Thanks so much for having me.
Mike Woo-Ming: I love you’re from the bay area. That’s where I grew up. We talked about a little bit about that. There’s a lot of yoga instructors in there. We have a lot of listeners on the call. They’re mostly physicians. They may be wanting to start their own coaching program. And we have some physicians who are looking for coaches. So maybe you could talk about your story and how this all happened.
Jessie Mahoney MD: Happy too. So I as we were talking earlier, I worked at Kaiser for 17 plus years and I was not only a pediatrician, but did a lot of physician leadership in terms of running the department and a lot of work in physician wellness and physician wellness was really my passion, but I also found myself unwell, as many physicians did about six ish years ago. And I had done all the things that we are supposed to do. So I went to an Ivy league college. I did my med school. I did all the leadership roles and I was still looking for the thing that was gonna keep me satisfied, engaged and passionate.
Mike Woo-Ming: Okay. Before you go, maybe we can define what exactly physician wellness is for listing.
Jessie Mahoney MD: Yeah that is, that’s a really good question. And I would offer that physician wellness looks like anything, but being a physician is really difficult. And so it’s being able to practice medicine sustainably. And I would say enjoyably.
So we there’s a lot of conversation about finding joy and meaning in medicine, but to be able to enjoy your career. And one of the things that for me, The lowest bar is to have your physician career not cause harm. And I actually work with a lot of physicians who experience harm because of their career knowingly or unknowingly.
We often do a lot of harm to ourselves, not sleeping, not eating… perfectionism, all of those things can cause us harm. And perhaps I work with many people who hardly breathe during the day and hardly use the restroom. And the lowest bars to not do harm to yourself and acknowledge your own humanity.
And I think that, we show so much compassion for our patients and we’re trained to do that, but along the way, we’re not trained to show compassion for ourselves. So to me, physician wellness is to have your physician hood be an add to your life. And an integral part of your life. I don’t spit spouse.
This concept of like work-life balance. I think it’s work-life integration. They all have to work together. And so being a physician is a healthy part of your. I think it has a bit of a bad rap if you want my honest opinion, because people think, oh, if I, they just want me to do yoga and then everything will be fine.
Or they just want me to breathe and meditate, and mindfulness will fix everything. And I don’t believe that’s true. I think that the system a hundred percent needs fixing. But why I really got into coaching and mindfulness and wellness is that we do have to become whole and healthy healers ourselves so that we can actually start to fix the system.
And when we’re coming from a place of burnout and exhaustion and being victims of a broken system, we can’t really find the solutions and that solutions need to come up. Come with, from within us, not from above us or outside of us. And so why I see wellness is so important is that if we can be well enough ourselves, we are brilliant, smart, determined, motivated, creative, innovative people.
We will be able to bring the solutions forward that are really going to.
Mike Woo-Ming: I’m curious. And going back to your Kaiser days, you worked in physician wellness, and I know a lot of Kaiser doctors. I know of a lot of doctors who work in big institutions and. Was the, when you would, you do work with doctors one-on-one and if so, how do they come to meet you? Because I’ve seen where it’s actually made mandatory for some physicians.
If you go where I’m talking about versus. They said I need help. And they seek you out.
Jessie Mahoney MD: So Kaiser has physician wellness programming, and it’s actually by the 2020, it was a strategic imperative to take care of physicians. And so I started at the very beginning in 2002 with when physician wellness, we were in a back closet and it was all the people that spoke.
Yeah said, like we got to fix this isn’t working. And I actually, Kaiser’s very quite forward-thinking. And so even though we were in the back closet, we were still allowed to meet, we still had a regional team and we worked from there. So each medical center had a physician wellness team essentially made up of a number of physicians.
So I led the team. All the medical centers I worked at, I would go from one to the other because this was my passion. And then we actually developed a regional team that coordinated it over all of the med centers. It was not directed as one-on-one physician wellness. So we would come up with programming and.
Towards the end of my career, we actually did a lot of training for leaders on how to lead a well team and how to be a well leader so that you could lead a well team, but it was done more at the institutional level, right? As opposed to the one-on-one level. Now as a department chief, which I also did, that’s where he would get the one-on-one person who really needs help.
The idea that wellness programming is that we would have programs that could meet those needs and chiefs could refer people to those programs. Most of the people that we would refer people to though were not physicians. So you had a mentor for example, but there wasn’t someone who was this safe coach person who was a peer. And that’s what I think is so beautiful about physician coaching is when you have a physician who’s coaching you, they really understand what it’s like to take. Call what thought patterns came in medical school and residency and in an institution. Also, we understand the institutional culture and how that may interplay with your own personality or culture.
So physician. Wellness would help to refer people and help people to understand what services were available, like employee assistance. And so they would have therapists who were available confidentially or there’s something called the physician wellbeing, which is for physicians who are in distress.
That would be the mandatory referral. Or and then other options of programs like retreats and workshops and training and mindfulness and offering, we offered physician yoga for example. And actually that’s where I began my yoga teaching career, teaching yoga to my department and teaching yoga to the physicians in my facility and running retreats for Kaiser.
But so there’s lots of different options. At Kaiser or TPMG is the Permanente medical group, just the physician arm of Kaiser. We, they do have other things really a lot of resources. So communication consultants, where physicians who may be having trouble communicating with their patients, that’s more referral based.
And so there are things like that. And so the wellness arm was really looking at. What do we need to offer to physicians? The challenge is of course, how do you do that within the pressures of medicine and the access and the funding for programs like that is growing. And like chief wellness officer positions are growing, but they it’s a very much a new thing.
And so I would say. Over those 18 years, there were lots of opportunities, which for me was fantastic. Cause I got to try out all kinds of things and explore different things with physicians and learn what works and what doesn’t work. But it is one of the things that I missed is I love really working one-on-one with physicians.
It’s a bit like being a doctor with your patients, and being able to really dig into the specific issues, as opposed to just coming from above and trying to work on systems issues, which. I think whenever we do something for a long time, we burn out a little bit on it wanting. And if it’s not your own business program, entrepreneurship passion, and you’re trying to accommodate big institutional pressures. That becomes tiring. And as someone who is involved in physician wellness early, it’s really pushing a Boulder up a hill. It was for many years, it’s the Hills getting shorter. And we have more help pushing it up now, but I still think it’s one of those things that is your passion and your passion, even just like medicine, your passion can also become something that becomes very tiring and you want to.
Pivot and adapt and do it in a different way, which is how I ended up in coaching.
Mike Woo-Ming: So is that what led to your going out on your own and saying like you were getting some pushback preps, you weren’t challenging enough or there it was pushback.
Jessie Mahoney MD: So the story about how I got into coaching is that I actually worked with the coach.
And when I hit my own burnout, who is not a physician because they really weren’t physician coaches, six years ago, she was married to a physician that made me feel better. Like I thought, oh, she’ll understand. And that COVID. Came from the life coach school. So I did my six months with her. And at the same time I did I went back to mindfulness and yoga and became a yoga teacher.
So for me, they’re totally interwoven in terms of tools that help. And by the time I finished my coaching myself, I said, I need to go learn how to do this. This is going to be something that’s really going to help physicians. So I immediately signed up and got into that training. And by the time I had become a yoga teacher and become a coach and started seeing how coaching could help.
I just saw that, my passion and what made me come alive was actually doing the coaching. Being able to make a difference on that level. So as a pediatrician, I work one-on-one with kids and I’m working one-on-one with the parents, but being able to work with people at a level about being a parent and being in a relationship and enjoying your career, that the ripple effects of that were so much bigger than I was able to make in my exam room.
One-on-one and that’s how I pivoted into wanting. To just do something more. I also mentioned to you, I’m a Berkeley girl and I’m like creative and not, and, innovative wanting to build and create staff. And so what I found is that was really at this like season of my life. That was really what I wanted to do.
I’d been doing this for 20 years and I was so ready to do something else. And it wasn’t so much that I couldn’t do what I wanted, but that I really wanted to be able to do it the way I wanted. And to, I have sort of someone who has a vision and likes to, play and experiment and really build things and make them better and better.
And I do find that I’m someone who’s like on that innovative edge of the curve. And when you’re in a big institution, There they move slowly like a giant oil tanker, even if they have the absolute best intentions. And I think that’s part of what’s happening in medicine that people see the problem in wellness, but our well, our medical system is huge and intricate and it’s like trying to, reroute a huge container ship.
Mike Woo-Ming: And you’ve had a lot of experience. I think probably of all the coaches that I’ve interviewed. I’ve never seen a one with so much years of experience in this space. And still you decided to go and spend six months at the life coach school, which I’d been just looking from. It says what could you actually learn from that?
So why did you feel that was important? And what did you learn?
Jessie Mahoney MD: I’m someone who likes to learn. So I didn’t do it because I felt like I needed a certification to become a coach, but I really enjoyed the process of working with people. It’s not just the model, which the life coach school is famous for, but the way to be a coach is very different than being a doctor.
So we’re not empathetic necessarily as a coach. And learning some of those skills. And I have to say that when I get into this school I’m learning what they’re offering and I’m filtering it with this mindfulness wellness perspective and turning it into sort of my own thing. And so I used it to learn more and to see.
The why of things. And that’s actually why I became a yoga teacher, too. It made this tremendous difference to me. And I was like, I have to understand how this works and understand the theory and the background part of it. So then I can figure out how to bring it to others in the way that I think is going to be the most impactful and helpful to them.
And so it was really more for the understanding. And I actually loved the tools. I think that there are a lot of really useful tools that are very different than tools that were taught in medicine. I have taken that training and really added into it the mindfulness, and for me, it’s yoga philosophy, which is mindfulness into it.
And so that shifts the experience a bit and it’s less in my type of coaching as much less. Model focused and more intention focused and bringing in some of the tenants of mindfulness, but the structure that they teach in the life coach school and the skills that they teach for me were very helpful.
Mike Woo-Ming: Now we hinted at it, but we didn’t talk it specifically. You and we talked about before we got on the call is that you actually left Kaiser. Who had you been working for with, for 18 years? And one, it sounds like one of the main reasons, and maybe we can get into this is because you want to just start your coaching program.
Cause you were not allowed to. Did you know about that when you were going in, when you and did it cause any resentment or problems or should we edit that part out?
Jessie Mahoney MD: I knew I knew that the Kaiser system, like within the Kaiser system and the way they do their. It’s you are in it and that’s what you do.
And I don’t have any resentment about it because that’s the system that they have. And it’s honestly a beautiful system. It just, at some people, at some point wants something different. Like we all need different things at different points in our life. For me, it’s funny, right? Coaching teaches you that, that system is exactly what it is.
So I don’t have any resentment about it. That was the system that it was. And honestly, it probably worked in my favor because had I been able to like, do a little bit of this and a little bit of that. I wouldn’t have gone all in on myself and what I really wanted to do. I will say the decision-making process.
Leaving a place that you’ve worked for 20 years was not easy at all. And deciding to bet on yourself and believe that you can do something totally different that you’re really excited about was not easy at all. But my growth through that I think is what makes me also a much better coach having been someone who pivoted and did something new.
I will say it wasn’t easy, but it is just the system that it is. And people who are maybe in private practice have different pressures and people who are in big organizations have different pressures. And I think academic places have different Pressures. And I think it just helps to see that was the system.
I will say that when I went to the life coach school, I wasn’t sure that I was gonna become, a coach and start my own business. That is not at all why I went because I was really interested in learning about it and I. Originally thought that this would just be something that I would cooperate into my physician wellness work that I was doing there.
But what I found after doing it is that this was really my passion and I was really ready to be doing something new. And so I think that in part, the mindfulness comes in there also because of the mindfulness really teaches you to look at who you are authentically and listen to your heart as opposed to your head and the contracts.
Pensions and all of the other things, and that you just really see who you are authentically and what you really want. And once you’ve seen that, it’s you really, it’s very hard not to honor it. And that’s really what you teach in the life, coach school, actually this idea about making decisions and when to leave or when to pivot.
And it’s not that you’re running away from something you’re moving towards something. And when you see something that you really want to move towards, it’s very hard to, for me, at least. And I think for most people you just start to feel out of alignment.
Mike Woo-Ming: You can have that attraction right there. Are you still practicing as a physician or are we doing this?
Jessie Mahoney MD: Yeah, I am not. And I will say that my plan originally was to, I resigned about a month before COVID came in. My last day at work was about two weeks before everything shut down. And so I was originally planning to do urgent care on the weekends.
Cause I wasn’t planning to leave medicine and perhaps do some kind of direct primary care or. Work with, I have a friend who has a practice and I was going to be able to teach yoga and coach and do all of that. And COVID came, which was totally unexpected. But when that happened, I essentially just pivoted a hundred percent into coaching.
And, I came to it with so much experience in wellness and I had been certified as a coach, probably six or nine months before. And so I was really, it was like I was ready to go. And so in many ways COVID was a gift because there was just such a need that I pivoted almost instantly into coaching and a big part of that pivot was my work in the mindful healthcare collective, which I can talk about a little bit.
And it’s a large group. That was formed, right? As COVID started to help physicians heal essentially and be supported during COVID. So we offer tons of free stuff there, but it also really helped just in terms of offering free coaching and offering for yoga and having people know more about me.
And In those first few months, I was really busy helping people in that way, almost a weekly there. And that really helped me, I think, to grow. I, to grow my business beyond just doing it on my own, and again, none of that was planned out. I, it has all happened. As things have evolved, you just pivot to the next step.
And I do think that’s part of this whole entrepreneurship journey.
Mike Woo-Ming: Yeah, it is. It sounds like everything grew organically. So tell us about your coaching practice. You could talk about the people who reach out to you and why, where you feel that you could be the best help to these for these.
Jessie Mahoney MD: Yeah. So I usually describe it as I work with people who are successful on the surface, but struggle underneath. And so that’s most doctors but a lot of people really resonate with that description because they do feel successful. And on the outside they look successful and they may have lots going on underneath, whether they’re.
Feeling inadequate as a parent, or just not able to be present for their kids or that they’re frustrated with their jobs, their careers, burnout, many people who come to me think they want to leave their job, but they don’t know what they want to do. Feeling lost is a particular thing. The other one is just feeling that they’re not living their best life.
They did all this work. They got to this point and then it’s huh, this isn’t what I wanted. Or they don’t necessarily want to leave medicine. And I find that many people, once they do the coaching, they decide that they, their current job is fine. Some people decide, oh, Nope, I need to change. And some people.
Are having so much stress at home. And that is something that I do specialize in that when they feel better at home, their jobs are more workable. And so as a pediatrician, a lot of people come to me for parent coaching. I also have three children who are young adults and teenagers It dovetails into that.
And I think that the poaching work and the mindfulness, of course being a mindful parent and a present parents is something that we all really aspire to and how to figure out how to be a parent and a physician. The other area that I do a lot of work on is Marriages or loving relationships.
And one of the reasons that I got into coaching is at the same time that I had some burnout, my husband had quite a high powered job. He developed some mental health struggles and that really that’s really what pushed me into the coaching was like all the things. When things at home or a struggle which was really his struggle.
I just was like, this is the thing that sort of pushed me over the edge. And I find that a lot of people come to me with things like that as well. How do I handle this partner? Who is. As physicians, we have very high expectations and we are all human. And what I learned through that process is that when I did coaching for myself and I took care of myself and I stopped trying to fix everybody everywhere, everybody else got better.
And it really transformed really how I practice pediatrics before I pivoted, because I think. The way that we approach everything in life is with our same brain. So whether you’re getting coaching around work and your struggles in career, or your struggles at home, we bring our brain homework everywhere.
And so a lot of these thought patterns that we learn as physicians like looking for the negative catastrophizing always being. Judgemental and perfectionist and super high expectations of everyone that doesn’t necessarily serve you fantastically as a mom or a spouse. And I think I was a pretty good mom and spouse before, but I’m way better now.
As just having learned mindfulness and coaching and bringing both of those to those roles, it’s really helpful. The other thing that I like to say I coach on is getting rid of clutter and it becomes from the mindfulness. So whether it’s clutter in your house or emotional clutter, which is all that anxious about.
Your maybe your parents and how they’re doing things and impacting life for your children or your spouse, or we tend to carry around a lot of clutter around our colleagues and our, the decisions our institutions are making. And so that is an area that a lot of people come to me for. So most people that come are just feeling overwhelmed, exhausted, lost for whatever reason.
And it’s something that’s tipped them over. But really once you start to dig, it’s like a, it’s a pattern of behavior and thoughts that they’ve just ended up in that they didn’t mean to. So they’ve been on autopilot and the mindfulness in that coaching essentially helps you pause. So I call my coaching business, pause and presence.
And the idea is that you pause and in that pause, The presence is you notice, you’re aware that’s very much the mindfulness component, and then that’s how you choose how you want to move forward. And so when we lengthened the pause with mindful. Then the coaching can come in because mindfulness is really just about the positive being the coaching piece is the intention piece.
Then what do you want to do now? Where do you want to go now? How do you want to show up as a mom or a wife or a doctor or for your colleagues and and for you and for your career, what might be your passion? So from that point once people are able to be mindful and see what they really truly want, they can move forward in a much more.
Meaningful purposeful. And I think clear way, a lot of people just can’t see, clearly they’re just exhausted, overwhelmed, burnt out, and they don’t know what to do. I don’t know what to do, but I’m not happy. I do work with a few people who are starting their own businesses or they’re trying to pivot, and they’re just not sure what to do.
And it’s the same theory that when you pause and you reconnect with yourself and who you really are, that’s when things start to.
Mike Woo-Ming: I love it, that positive presence. I also love that description of that clutter that we can’t see that we have all over and we don’t know how to to clean it up.
This has been tremendous. You’ve got some you’ve also got. Workshops and retreats of say retreats that you’re doing. And tell us about the, about that. And I think you told me that you have one you’ve already scheduling it for a 20, 20.
Jessie Mahoney MD: Yeah. So I do coaching and yoga retreats. And the idea is that in the moment you get both, you get your mindfulness and your pause and a neurologic reset in calm and grounded being in this beautiful place.
And you get the coaching at the same time. So some people will do their. One-on-one coaching over six months and other people will come for a week away where they’re just like, I’m just gonna do this now. And most people who come like I need to do something right now, I’ve had it enough is enough. So I offer five day retreats and in a place called Santa Margarita, which is in central California, just outside San Luis Obispo, this spectacular retreat center. And they’re pretty small. So less than 10 people. And so it’s very different than like a comp wellness conference. And so a lot of individual attention and it’s on a.mountaintop.
Essentially, it’s like a sanctuary that’s in the middle of just preserved lands in beautiful California, right near the coast. And we spend those five days essentially, really learning to be again, rather than like constantly do and be busy and quieting your mind. Becoming calm and grounded.
So that then when you are working on who you want to become and where you want to go, you’re able to do it from just a fully nourished place. I have a other physician who collaborates with me, Dr. Ann canard. Lives nearby. And she is board certified OB-GYN, but also board certified in integrative medicine, lifestyle medicine.
She’s also a yoga teacher and an herbalist. And so she comes and does some culinary medicine and also teaches some of the yoga with me as well as placed her live violin. She’s also a violinist. And so it’s it’s literally gets at all the senses and it’s like a reset. I say, as physicians, our sympathetic nervous systems, like going like crazy.
And so we need to rev up our parasympathetic nervous system, get back in balance. Then the coaching can help. You seek really clearly where you want to go more from a place of ease, rather than just, sometimes when we talk about transforming, it’s like you got to push yourself and take massive action and do all these things.
But when you just heal yourself and grow strong, all of a sudden things just start to flow. Yeah,
Mike Woo-Ming: I love it. That this I’ve been talking about pause five days in this beautiful location. I assume that they need to put their cell phones away. Leave those in the car.
Jessie Mahoney MD: Yes, they do work there. And I will say because the retreats are treats for women in medicine.
Just because they’re so small. And so you come without your family, but a lot of them do want to be able to get, make sure their children are okay, so you have it. And it works. But most people don’t carry it around with them, which is amazing. It really is a pause in nature. So I’m offering two of those in the spring, one in March and one in April.
And those dates are picked because central California has amazing wildflowers and that’s wildflower season. So you get that extra bit as well. And so people can sign up for those if they want. They’re available on my website now and because they’re small, they do fill up pretty quickly. So if people are interested, they should check.
Mike Woo-Ming: Let’s talk about how, where can they go to get more information about you and about all the
Jessie Mahoney MD: So you can find all the information on my website, which is JessieMahoneyMd.com. There’s a retreat tab. There’s a tab about joining me for the mindful yoga for healers, which is free and open to people who want to come.
I love teaching it and we have quite a community that joins me most Saturday mornings on zoom, because that’s what we do these days. And it’s been. Just a really fun experience. Very flexible. The beautiful thing about yoga on Zoom is that you’re in your box and no one sees how much you’re stretching, but the point actually is that you don’t need to be flexible to do yoga or stand on your head.
This yoga for healers is really about tapping into kindness to ourselves, compassion, being able to breed and heal and nourish yourself. It’s actually coaching yoga. That’s one of the reasons that people like it, if they don’t know yoga or they’re really uncomfortable, like just sitting and being this sort of helps your mind be distracted with mindful thoughts and intentions, and that gets you moving through.
The yoga and able to start a lot of people who don’t do yoga, actually start by doing these classes. And they’ve told me I’ve never did yoga before and it was fine. I loved it. I definitely encourage people to try it. If they’re interested,
Mike Woo-Ming: Mindful yoga for healers sounds amazing.
Dr. Jessie, this has been incredible. I can see how. Yeah, they’re going to your passion in this space and how you’ve been helping others, helping our colleagues, get them through this tumultuous time. Any last minute thoughts before we end the interview today?
Jessie Mahoney MD: My thought is to show kindness to yourself.
I see a lot of physicians who don’t even realize how unkind we are to ourselves. And part of the mindfulness is to become aware of that. And to, we often have trouble. Doing self-help or self-development or showing compassion and all of this stuff. And if you can just start with treating yourself with kindness, like you would treat others and listen to the things that you tell patients.
They’re almost always what you need to hear yourself. And then if you can start with that and start with just five minutes of pausing a day, we all have five minutes. I know, we think we don’t, but we do five minutes to take care of yourself in some way, whether it’s literally just breathing or pushing play on some mindfulness app.
It can be the start of something subtle or significant. I like to say. So if you stop being mean to yourself or take a pause, it’s the first step sports something.
Mike Woo-Ming: That was great. I love it. I love the idea about pausing. I think when we get in trouble is when we don’t pause. That’s where problems happen.
That’s where accidents happen. We don’t think pause and presence is the name of her program. Dr. Jessie Mahoney. Thank you for joining us today. Thanks so much. If you’re interested in coaching and feel that you need and she resonates with you, please check out her website JessieMahoneyMD.com, and you can find them her programs, retreats, all great stuff, as well as the mindful yoga for healers we’ll have that all available to you, whatever you do, guys, if you are out, if you have issues that you need to get resolved and it’s not helping, go ahead and find a coach. She did she’s. She has her own coaches, but whatever you don’t just stand there and ruminate about it. Find someone and keep moving forward.